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Tuesday, April 11, 2006

Baptist School in Kentucky Upholds Their Stated Policy. Why Is This News Again?

According to the Lexington Herald-Leader the University of the Cumberlands, a small Baptist college, has expelled a student after seeing his MySpace site, on which he declared his homosexuality. The student, Jason Johnson, was confronted by two school officials who showed him his profile, showed him a copy of the 2005-06 handbook, and them gave him a letter that required him to leave immediately.

These are the facts that were in the story. What I find interesting are the "extras". For example:
The news that his boyfriend, Jason Johnson, was expelled from University of the Cumberlands was still sinking in when Zac Dreyer sat at a computer to spread the news.
What in the world is this about? The news piece starts off with nothing but emotional fluff. Facts please, just give us the facts.
But a copy of the student handbook provided by the university confirmed the policy was not spelled out in 2003-04, when Johnson chose to attend.
Is this a new story or an indictment? It sounds an awful lot like a case is being made instead of a story being told. I went to a Baptist school and one year there were a couple of guys who broke a lot of rules - one of which being that they flagrantly displayed hardcore pornographic pictures in their room. Now, nowhere in the handbook could you find the words "students are not allowed to hang hardcore pornographic pictures on their wall", yet it was obviously against school policy.
Johnson, a sophomore majoring in theater arts, was expelled from the university Thursday because he declared online that he is gay.

The thing I like about this sentence is that is factual and correct. Throughout the story people are quoted as saying that Johnson was expelled for "being gay". Not necessarily true. What we do know is that he was expelled after declaring his homosexuality in a very public way.

I was, frankly, amused by many of the quotes that Johnson's fellow students made.
He is being asked to leave the university because he is gay
I guess that I have already covered this, but again, he was not expelled for what he is he was expelled for what he did.
They're being hypocritical, by Christian standards
First of all, in what way are they being hypocritical? I could see if she had said that they were not showing mercy or were being hard-hearted etc., but dropping the h-word is the old standby that people use to criticize any institution that is simply holding to a standard. Secondly, are there any standards of conduct that the school can appropriately uphold? What if Jason was having a public affair with a married woman? Good money says that he would have been kicked out and nobody would have blinked an eye.

Johnson, who is considering legal action against the university, said students shouldn't question their faith, but they should question their personal beliefs.
Huh?

The bottom line is that this is a private institution. If the state of Kentucky doesn't want to give money to private schools then so be it - pull funding from private institutions. But if the state has determined that giving money to private schools is a good thing to do then they shouldn't discriminate against schools because of their religious beliefs.

9 Comments:

  • At 9:21 PM, Blogger frizzle said…

    Your post on K-block's blog is interesting.

    "The Christian belief that homosexual behavior is wrong is not a "prejudice" it is a Biblical mandate. If you don't believe in the Bible, fine - but it gets very tiresome to hear non-Christians tell Christians that we are not doing the Christian thing whenever we hold to a standard."

    Is it a Christian standard to condemn men for shaving (Lev.19:27), or eating shellfish (Lev 11:10), or eating pork (Lev. 11:6-8), or having contact with woman during their menstrual cycles(Lev 15:19-24)?

    Yeah...I didn't think so. It gets very tiresome to hear Christians selectively use the bible to condemn other people. where are your standards now?

    By the way, not all christians buy your interpretations of Biblical passages.

    The Extremist Rantings Of A Mainstream Progressive

     
  • At 5:32 AM, Blogger K said…

    In the NT, Jesus brought in a new age when he specifically repealed many of the OT laws found - the notion of unclean food, for one. By healing and touching the unclean woman he also repealed that law as well.

    Yeah.....pay attention.

    Not all people HAVE to buy our interpretations of biblical passages. But here's the rub - you're positing that that school can't take action based upon their beliefs. So, you're telling them what to do, not the other way around.

     
  • At 6:02 AM, Blogger Jason Green said…

    Frizzle,
    Yeah, yeah - I saw that episode of the West Wing too. To add on to what K-block had to say the Old Testament has 2 very distinct laws. 1. Ceremonial laws, such as the ones you brought up. These are laws that are for Jews and Jews alone. They were meant for a specific people at a specific time. 2. Moral laws (like the 10 commandments). These laws are the ones the Jews were to help bring to the rest of the world to help us live a better life and the are for all people at all times.

    Hope that clears up some confusion for you.

     
  • At 1:16 PM, Blogger frizzle said…

    That's interesting Jason,

    You're qualifying what the bible says according to the needs of specific cultures at specific times. So what you're saying is that some of the passages in the bible are no longer relevant? You just proved my point.

    Once again, different Christians have different interpretations of the Bible. If you wish to believe that Homosexuality is wrong, have at it. God Bless you and go in peace. However, the blanket statement that it's a biblical mandate has, as you just pointed out, many qualifiers.

    Hope that clears up some confusion for you.

    The Extremist Rantings Of A Mainstream Progressive

     
  • At 1:21 PM, Blogger frizzle said…

    Hey K,

    "But here's the rub - you're positing that that school can't take action based upon their beliefs. So, you're telling them what to do, not the other way around."

    I did no such thing. I said they have the right to do it. I just think they're assholes for doing it. I have no say in their policy decisions.

    Ask yourself this question. Would Jesus have thrown him out?

     
  • At 5:49 AM, Blogger K said…

    Frizzle:
    "What would Jesus have done?"

    To be honest, I don't know. And I don't know that it was right for the school to throw him out. As for the folks at the school being less than perfect in throwing him out - yeah, maybe. We don't know the specifics, but it is entirely possible that they were wrong. Many are saying that they shouldn't have the right to do so - which is ludicrous. I am glad that you are not saying so.

    Throwing Jesus (whom you do not even profess to believe in) in the face of Christians is a common tactic of those like you. i.e: You don't measure up, you Christians are nothing like Jesus, etc etc.

    You know what? You're right! "For all people sin, and fall short of the glory of God."

    Those quotes above are a paraphrase of Romans 3:23.

    So, we fully admit that no man can truly be Christlike. Should we strive for that? Yes. Did those in the school fall short of that? Probably. They'll be judged for their decision if it was wrong, as will we all - Christians included.

    The fact of the matter is that you can't argue this in Christian terms - because you don't profess any Christian beliefs. So, we are left with a logical or law based argument - and there is none from you there either, as the professedly Christian school simply followed their own code of conduct.

    Therefore, your argument is reduced to your assertion that the administrators are @ssholes, something that can be said about MANY people, and adds absolutely nothing to the logical discourse of this discussion.

     
  • At 1:47 PM, Blogger frizzle said…

    Hey K,

    "Throwing Jesus (whom you do not even profess to believe in) in the face of Christians is a common tactic of those like you. i.e: You don't measure up, you Christians are nothing like Jesus, etc etc."

    Who said I don't believe in Jesus? I pray to him every night and every day. I just reject a literal interpretation of the Bible.

    It's not that I "don't profess any Christian beliefs", As far as this subject is concerned, I don't profess your beliefs. Once again, we're at that phrase "Christian standard". My whole point of responding to your comment is there is no "Christian standard". Fundamentalist Christians want their interpretation to be the standard and I'm disagreeing.

    As far as the name-calling. Your newer post on your blog is the reason why I get so pissy. Your "standard" is intolerant of the way God made me. I point that out and you say I'm being intolerant of your intolerance. It almost makes my head explode! You wonder why I would call you a "christian fundie freak"? To borrow from the African American community, It's a gay thing, you wouldn't understand.

    O.K. It's time for my Paxil.

     
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